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The flag is raised. 12DP has not enough funds to start legal action against Stormpay? This update was from members’ news about 7 hours ago. It’s sick to see Stormpay doing this. For people who had been funding Stormpay with CC, I’d suggest you give your visa company a call to ask for a chargeback against Stormpay. I’ve not done mine as I’d be tackling it with Stormpay themselves.
Rest assure should they not refund me my money, I’ll take actions against them too.
More members’ news from 12DP:
We have learned that StormPay has completed its own independent investigation, which we have learned did NOT involve any law enforcement whatsover, only their bank and themselves, and have begun arbitrarily issuing refunds. In addition they are randomly denying claims of individuals at their own discretion and threatening THEM with legal action.
We also learned that they are refunding members who have already received their upgrade payments from 12daily Pro. Thus essentially paying them twice with our money. Then on top of that they have announced they are going to seek to take additional money from us.
Not only are they now holding money paid to us as non-refundable upgrade fees, but they are also holding a great deal of funds that came to us as via other revenue streams having nothing to do with member upgrades including:
Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting their website.
Thousands of dollars we earned in advertising sales
Thousands of dollars we earned from other online sources
Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting NETIBA, owned by StormPay.
Thousands of dollars earned from advertising promotions and for convention registrations.They are also sitting on much more money that they earned in fees from both our company and all our members, transactions which they are now saying are null based on their own internal investigation.
We also have not been contacted by any law enforcement officials and/or been informed of any investigation by anyone. StormPay has created this lie in order to cover their own trail of blackmail, deceit, and money shifting that made them unable to pay our withdrawal request.
What does this mean? THERE WAS NEVER ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF OUR STORMPAY ACCOUNT. STORMPAY LIED TO IS USERS…AGAIN.
StormPay has also lied to all of its users informing them that they just discovered 12daily Pro’s business model. However, their own daily records since we began using them in May of 2005, they have a detailed record of payments both received by us from members and sent to members by us. Not only did Stormpay tell us just 5 days ago that we were an excellent client and member, they blackmailed us into forcing us to chose them as our ONLY payment processor, with full knowledge our our business model.
These current actions and this ‘fake’ investigation are simply a means by which they can cover their own illegal acts and mishandling of their users funds. They have provided us NO PROOF of an external investigation. And no external investigators have contact us.
In addition, Stormpay has locked us from access to our account, so we don’t know who is being refunded and whether or not those refunds are legitimate. We also fear that they may be laundering and syphoning funds out of our account to cover their debts to their other users who have never even been members of 12daily Pro.
StormPay President, John McConnell openly admitted to me that they do not have the funds to cover their user accounts in their bank. These actions they are taking are ALL because of this. And now they intend to try to make 12daily Pro and all of you pay for their unlawful shifting both our money and yours.
By the second, StormPay is absconding with money that we need to legitmately refund our members and operate our business. Their actions are making it very unlikely that everyone will get the refunds they are due.
We have been advised that it may be possible to take legal action that will force them to cease and desist in dispursement of our funds until a REAL independent investigation is conducted. Other autosurfs are also in discussion of a class action law-suit against the company, who has a long negative history with the BBB.
Many supportive members on the forum asked us if there is any way you can all help us recover our funds from Stormpay via legal action. Requests were made that we make available the ability for members to donate to a legal fund for this purpose. Over 200 members have already donated. If you would like to assist us in our efforts to recover 12daily Pro funds from Stormpay, you can send a donation electronically via EMO with the following payment details:
Account Name: 12dp Stormpay Recovery Legal Fund
Account Email: emo@12dailypro.comOR you can send to our mailing address: LifeClicks LLC
8116 South Tryon St.
Suite B3, #15
Charlotte, NC 28273If we are able to pool enough funds for this legal action, we will not have to utilize company funds that are needed to provide refunds as we are able. As it is the staff has been cut to 1, myself, in order to use any and all available funds for refund purposes. Any assistance any member can give for this legal funds would be greatly appreciated.
If we don’t take immediate legal action against Stormpay, they will continue arbirtarily taking and spending our money that we need to pay you your refunds.
Please know that I am here and I am going to stay here and continue to communicate with all of you the best way I possibly can.
Thank you in advance for your support.
Charis, online poker
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15 Responses to “12DailyPro V Stormpay - In Trouble?”
- 1 Trackback on Aug 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
use back e-gold
i believe that will be one of the choice charis would make. but the main problem is recovering back the funds that 12dp has in SP, which.. i think is kind of near to impossible now.
i really don’t understand why people are so surprised that the inevitable finally happened. the bottom follows out of these scams after a certain number of generations. always.
hey name, thanks for visiting. basically people are surprised because it happened quickly, like what you say as always.
some of them have invested their lifesavings believing this can bring them to another dimension, thus in hot soup. i pity them, for myself i’m not so much affected by the fiasco, but do really wish that something can be done to help them.
but it comes to the bottom line again that if you invested too much till you feel uncomfortable, you invested too much.
It’s a conspiracy!
12DailyPro and Stormpay planned the whole thing.
Think about it… all the delays and inconsistent statements by both sides.
just a thought.
hi suspicious, if this should happen it wouldnt surprise me as well, but dont think so since Stormpay seems like they have staged this move very well when most of the autosurfs’ money are in their SP account, they froze them.
And with the recent chargebacks done on members’ account? You can be so sure they will be the next one that is biting the dust.
Hi Jude,
Yes, StormPay’s actions are somewhat stupid. Yes, there will be some consequences.
But think about it… StormPay’s owner have the money; God knows where it’s gone to now (in a Swiss bank maybe? under a different name?… there are endless methods to hide the money from the authorities)
What will happen to the owner? Probably a few years in prison; that is, if he’s convicted. When he is released, there will be hundreds of millions waiting. It doens’t matter what the prison sentence is, there will be NO justice.
you’re damn right about this, and welcome to our blog community suspicious
thanks for the warm welcome, Jude.
Updated newsletter from 12DailyPro:
no new progress.. jeez, i’m surprised.
yea, as usual. you can’t expect anything much since SP is not responding either.
I have done hours of research this morning on Stormpay. Below are some of my findings.
1) Stormpay owns NetIBA
2.) Stormpay owner/CEO is Steven C. Girsky, John R McConnell JR is listed as a registered agent of Stormpay. John R. McConnell owns NetIBA (all based in Clarksville, Tennessee (Montgomery County).
3.) Girsky and McConnell are neighbors, McConnell owns 3 places in his neighborhood, and owns the building for Stormpay at 1690 Golf Club Lane Clarksville, Tn 37043.
4.) Girsky is an attorney in Clarksville.
5.) Girsky’s phone is now unlisted, but you can still call Stormpay at (931) 647-8750.
6.) You can still contact Lifeclicks(!2 Daily Pro) by phone.
7.) Stormpay owns a dirt car racing team in Clarksville. Clarksville Speedway to be renamed Stormpay.com Speedway.
8.) According to the Better Business Bureau, they have received 500 complaints about Stormpay’s suspension of accounts.”In the past 36 months, the company has received complaints specifically concerning the company’s failure to inform and follow up with its customers when it suspends accounts, failure to release funds in a timely manner and failure to resolve complaints directly with company management. ” (see Tennessee BBB website)
9.) The amount of $ involved in all complaints about Stormpay is over $400K.
10.) 12 Daily Pro has zero BBB complaints so far.
11.) FBI has been at the Stormpay office in Clarksville this past week and BBB is preparing information to give to the FBI.
After my “research”, I plan on sitting back and waiting to see what happens. Right now, I am still keeping my butt on the 12 daily pro bandwagon. Hopefully we who are involved will be receiving our money back from Stormpay..either by Stormpay itself due to not being able to stand the hot water any more OR the authorities involved will get our monies back for us.
P.S. U can reach Steve Girsky at (937) 385-0200, (931) 980-8836 , 4987 Shadowbend Circle Clarksville, TN 37043 or his law office at (931) 647-1501 121 S. Third St. Clarksville, TN 37040. U can reach John R. McConnell Jr. at (931) 362-4116 4975 Shadowbend Circle Clarksville, Tn 37043. Girsky has already requested security for himself and his building due to threats. Please DO NOT threaten harm. We need to let authorities finish their investigation and see what pans out. If we don’t get our money back…at least maybe THEY will get what’s due them.
Stormpay has made a statement:
Even though I don’t agree with Stormpays latest statement www.stormpay.com , They have made a statement, now the ball is in the other court. Lets hear from the other side, please ( the silence is killing me). Are there enough funds in 12Dailypro’s account to pay everyone? Or are we just plain S.O.L. . The way it looks, I’m thinking that I might as well kiss my moola goodbye.
STORMPAY: The fact that StormPay’s owner also owns NetIBA tells us that the whole certification process is a scam. Since the majority of 12DailyPro’s members use StormPay, let’s assume about 50,000 people certified through NetIBA. The owner net about $1 million! However, as big as $1 million is, it is miniature compared to the tens/hundres of millions Stormpay makes on fees for money from the so-called “ponzies”.
12DAILYPRO: If we seriously think about, there is no way any company can net 44% in profits in just 12 days (or 21 days for that matter). 12DailyPro is a PONZI (although only with 1 referral level)! Most of us probably know this before we join (or at least suspicious that it is a ponzi). We just hope that we jump in early enough to make money and don’t be one of the suckers that lose money when the company folds at the end.
Unfortunately, I am one of those suckers. hopefully all of us who joined late will at least get back some of our money. I will pray for myself and you should pray for yourself, too (NOT for Charis - one of the masterminds behind this fraud).
“i really don’t understand why people are so surprised that the inevitable finally happened. the bottom follows out of these [schemes] after a certain number of generations. always.”
True. But 12dailypro was a fun ride — we all have to admit. If you want to call 12dailypro a ponzi scheme, fine. There is nothing wrong with ponzi schemes or Social Security (another ponzi scheme ‘cuz the FICA money you pay every week from your paycheck does not go to your SS account or THE BIG SS account but to the US General Fund) or HYIP or gambling or liquor or smoking cigarette or crack cocaine or prostitution.
Intially, Charis should have setup shop offshore as an IBC and used a offshore webhosting service and had stated powerful “terms of service” like this:
http://www.blackmarketgold.com/2002_06_01_news_archive.html#85182514
Also, if memory serves me correctly, in Dec-05, Charis panicked and did away with e-gold (an over reaction IMO) [and went with US-based Stormpay and some other US-based fiat currency provider] on realization (1) that e-gold had “shutdown” for a few days and (2) that a segment of the 12dailypro membership had had their e-gold accounts looted due to having fallen for e-gold-phishing scams. There will always be a minority of members who will fall for phishing scams - and IMO, Charis spent to much personal time catering to them. Correctly if I am wrong but 12DP’s e-gold accounts were never directly looted.