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Dec 5th 2006
The documents provided by Benjamin Navarro has been uploaded and the link is in the portfolio for download.
For people who are interested in my portfolio, sign up with our mailinglist and drop me an email.
These documents will be made available again in a day or two to all here.
Coincidentally, as I was browsing through Golden Talk forums, Benjamin Navarro was mentioned as well and we’re wondering if he’s the same one.
GRACE COLLEGE Winona Lake Indiana
Benjamin NavarroBenjamin Navarro teaches Spanish and helps coordinate the Study Abroad Programs in Spain and Argentina.
Phone: 574-372-5100 ext. 6282
As PeterG, moderator of Golden Talk has noted, Benjamin has posted in the Spanish thread before.
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The document is available for download here. Reason for people to access the portfolio to get it in the first place? I was waiting to see if there could be any replies from “Benjamin”.
Popularity: 33% [?]
There are some things that doesn’t seems to add up…
- I can’t see any watermark (perhaps it’s not possible due to the quality)
- I thought all passports had machine typed information, not handwritten.
- He has a passport issues in the Philippines, but he sure doesn’t look like one. Now, I don’t know the rules for becoming a citizen over there, but I sure do know what it takes in some parts of Europe and Thailand… and it’s not easy (they usually have quotas, you have to learn the language etc).
Should be easy to find out contacting the authorities and check up the passport number, but my bet is that it’s a fake passport.
If someone could PM the pass for the portfolio over at hyipD that would be great, im on the list but Jude hasnt answered my mail yet.
thanks
Adam
lol, NightStalker… I’m sorry but the Spam Assassin still has to be installed here as our blog is like a target board for spam, what kind of real information do you have about them? Could you share with us as well?
NightStalker, please do let us know what we can do.
I have also contacted http://www.worldlawdirect.com/ and i am waiting an answer from them too.
we must act quicly in order to get our money back , since ben has changed his bank wires to pakistan……..from the 15th of november
really really interesting documents, if they are real Benjamin didnt lie of what they invested in.
Remember the “invest in developing contruction firms blabla”??
Heres a link I found in one of the contracts (icron international):
http://202.54.217.169/home_intranet.ht
I also saw that “Benjamin” has signed a agreement with these guys regarding a MA fx account. The trader is named Jake Thoman and the company is named Market Traders Institute. >>>
http://www.forextips.com/default.htm
is this our man?
http://hispanismo.cervantes.es/Hispanistas_ficha.asp?DOCN=641
For cchristos and all other investors,
We still gathering all information we have enought now but we want something extremely solid, what we can do better is this, please if you are scammed investor from KAO email me at arizonaspam at gmail.com that way we can increase our number of people who will seriously take actions against them. We will provide a detailed step by step actions each one have to do/submit with the pertinent authorities when we get the full package ready that will be soon, also please keep all your received emails from Kaonline since are the most important proof to claim each individual case.
Certainly, there is no excuse in manipulating other people and cause different kind of discomfort. If we act as grown up and responsible and of some unknown reason happen to cause other into trouble we have to do indemnifications ASAP
If we are betrayed, because we trusted the words, how disappointing
We have to grief that sad fact but also learn the lesson for further experiences, but also act against for the future both our own and others
Im impressed after reading all of your post above
And seems to bee a really great work NightStalker
Think all of us will appreciate if we can do something an I know I would be very happy if I could have any possibility to get our money back
Even to fight back this financial abuse and crime for stolen our money
I have reported kaonline to Scamdatabase Report Department
and received from report@scamdatabase.com following: ________________________________________________________________
“Thank you, we have received your report.
Your report will be reviewed by our staff. And A research will be conducted. If your report is found truth, we will add it to the scam database.
Thanks for helping make internet a safer place.
Support Department”
___________________________________________________________________
Please inform if we can do anything and how to continue
well , what a nice surprise to see sylvia here…..
well what you can do, is to contact your local authorities about this fraud and keep in touch with us, so we can track down ben
“is this our man?
http://hispanismo.cervantes.es/Hispanistas_ficha.asp?DOCN=641”
Please bear in mind that other ppl are also named Banjamin, just so you don’t start to spam some innocent guy..
However I still cant make up my mind if the documents are real, some of them are really interesting to read especially the one about the construction firm..
NightStalker , you rock…….i just saw some hard info….contact the guy so you will see yourselves…..
Sylvia,
Then why don’t you team up with the others for legal action then?
Perhaps you can get those papers nullified by the fact that it’s a fraud? I’m sure you can provide valued information with an “insider” view on this also.
What is the latest news on Ben? Is there any legal action that can be taken?
I deposited with KA Online the end of Oct 06. $9880. Didn’t last long. I didn’t receive one payment, NADA. Now it’s gone. My wife and I are on Social Security only and tried to boost our SS retirement to live a little better.
Geez…what a dilemma.!!! Nightstalker I totally support you in what your doing I will email you at your address.
Sylvia, I have talked with as of yesterday….please help us go after the Ben who is less than a man. I am sure you and Kevin have a lot of info that would help us to locate and prosecute and at least get our money and yours back.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Dan
Sylvia, Can you go to the local electric & phone company and find out when the disconnect order was placed, and how. It seems he may be have left some tracks that could be traced. Possibly with the local authorities help all information could be disclosed.
It may not help, because these scum of the earth people tend to have well thought out plans, but you never know.
I see Nightstalker being praised for his efforts but no posts. Has something been removed?
Nothing has been, and nothing will.
The Spam system is rough on comments that are suspicious, but they will head towards the moderation section where I’ll approve them.
Both Kevin and I are working from home since the office no longer has electricity, we trying to access our e-mail addresses we are in contact with each other by telephone. Tell us how we can help you.
Sylvia Santana !!! R u really Kao Sylvia
and how come this also happen to u !! cos u r Kao’staff
Just a QuickPost I guess this has been one of the longer days of the year, talking with the lawyer checking the current proofs we have etc. Sorry to all people who havent been answered by email but are tons of email from scammed investors, one of them suggested me to use some kind of mailing list program so I keep all updated in one shot. I will look at it tomorrow since I dont know much about mailing list services/programs. I appreaciate everybodys comments and Jude support in this matter, I feel commited in make all under my possibilities to get the results that all we deserve. I will be in contact tomorrow as well to update people and answer the emails, and check the possibility of mailinglist of kao scammed investors so the communication becomes faster and more efficient, in the other side I will not like this thing about mailing list get missunderstood and cause problems because some people could think my intentions are others if I do create it, so I would ask to the current people readin this blog entry to post here your thoughts about creating the mailinglist in case is considered reliable. Sorry for any bad grammar or errors in my sentences Im too tired right now to think, write or whatever.
>> I’m not sure whether this Slyvia from KA Online who has emailed me with
>> reasons that Ben left them and shut them out is real, but it seems we are
>> heading towards a positive direction.
Beware! It would not be the first time that the scammer itself begins to lead the victims to fraud himself, only to gain time and mislead the victims. That was done before with the investors of Jordan’s HYIP.
The best you all could do is get together, leaded by someone who is trusted in the hyip community, without any shady people that you’ve never heard before.
Night Stalker,
I was a big investor with KA. I invested around 20 k with them. I have all copies of my wire recipt. Alothough i belive thier bank account is now closed.
NightStalker,
I too invested with KA (just over 1k), I have evidence to prove this. How can I get in touch with you via email to be part of this mailing list you were talking about? I really apprieciate what your trying to do and I hope that you’re successful.
Neilious
Yes what’s the contact procedure.
I had 5 figures with Ka. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help further the cause of nailing this guy.
i have a philippine passport, and that does look like a philippine passport he’s got there.
Can’t say of it’s authentic tho, since these things can be copied. Even if it’s a legit document, if you had the right connections, you can get a passport yourself.
Just a question to those with some BIG cash in on this one. Is this just one program you’re in at that kinda spend or did you put all your eggs in one basket?
Latest Blacklist Site
Date Added Site Name
07/12/2006 usa-investment.net
07/12/2006 kaonline.biz
07/12/2006 6k-finance.com
07/12/2006 OnWebSurf.com
07/12/2006 cuberevolution.com
…………..We have added the site to our blacklist.
I’m sorry for your lost.
Rasmelia
admin scamdatabase.com
Well I was lucky enough to get back more than I invested but I still had over £2k in my a/c when the site ‘disappeared’ Not good Christmas cheer!
I do not agree with comments on some Forums that we should “Let it go … accept the loss & move on with another investment”. Ben is a thief he has stolen not only our money but our trust. I applaud your efforts to track this scum down.
Anything I can do to help bring him to justice I will.
Regards Tony
I deposited 2,5K………. and have only withdrawalled 240,-
I too would love to nail his butt. I haven’t attempted but has anyone else tried to contact Jake Thoman from MTI via their website? Ben may be using our money in his trades right now to make more. Just a guess. There’s got to be a way we can find this guy.
Well I had a G vested with KAO. If I can help I have wired info but theifs can have this set up for the longest time & cover their tracks & be gone poof gone off the face of the earth Was his name really Ben & well ya know if planned correctly his new name is not ben it’s Theiving Bastard.
I should have learn from the Oscar Freeman Fiascowhere I had 23k roling to almost be paid. really it would of been 28K but was lucky enough to take a little bit out.
If I can futher help catch this ripof artist please email me.
I emailed Night Stalker per the request. Not much else to add here. I’m out $1000 . Have the records I keep including proof of eBullion spend to KAO.
My situation is not as dire as some that have posted. I really feel for those that are retired, etc. and had much more than me in the game. Ben (or whatever his name turns out to be) is obviously much closer to mouse than man - apologies to all the mice. To me recovery of my $ is secondary. I would just love for him to stopped as I’m sure he’s already on to the next thing….
Christy, I found out that Benjamin never paid the phone and electricity bill that’s why everything was cut off.
waruneerat, yes I am the same Sylvia that answered the phones, I was used by Benjamin. I was just the stupid person that came along that needed a job. I am sorry this happened, I don’t know what I can do to help you all out as I see people questioning the fact of who I am and why I did not know this was happening if I was an employee for Benjamin (how many people that work for other individuals really know what the owner is doing)???????????????????????.
Such a shame - I invested $985 in May and was all set to withdraw $7k on December 1st. I think it’s the 180 day life of the AA fund that kept KAO alive - maybe there were alot of people waiting for their 180 days to be up too and Ben (aka …) knew he wouldn’t have funds to cover the payouts this month. Or maybe it was an opportune time with recent deposits for him to run.
I think I’ll call it a day with hyips - seem to lose more than I gain these days. I think I may be coming out just ahead, but am not sure!
i guess ben is only an accomplice.. the bigger mafia is on the back. the web is too professional for one person play.
about the site xqwats… he could just have hired a web developer … not big deal really .. i am one and i know..
to Nightstalker, i have sent you an email since you posted here. Have you got the message ? Has anyone received any info ? how is the mailing list going ?
I agree about the website Gaby. Besides, KaO seemed to have enough money to pay for the website, advertising, DDOS protection and large % outlays so it would appear that they could afford the design work. That, of course, begs the question: Who did it??
Sylvia,
I think what we need from you is any info you or Kevin can provide us regarding Ben. Have you ever met him in person. In info regarding KA Holdings would be great. Ben Mentioned many times that he and Kevin travelled together to KA meetings. Kevin must kow people in these meetings. I think you guys can be of tremendous help to nail this scum. At this point we all want him in jail we in hyip land can come to terms with money lost. At least i can. SO please help us/nightstalker in any way possible.
Hi NightStalker and fellow scam victims,
I replied to you e-mail and have proof of wire remittances as well as e-gold deposits. What, where, and when - is all I need to know, and I will comply.
Sylvia, if indeed you were mislead, I feel terrible for you too!! I hope you can provide some more information to help our cause that perhaps you were privy to that we might not be able to uncover.
For example, Did you actually meet Ben? Does the photograph in the passport actually match his appearance? Did you guys not do any small talk about family, past experiences, etc.? Anything that you can contribute will help, and also help prove that you were indeed an innocent victim as well.
Levaz
“Benjamin Navarro” or whover he is is using a FAKE Philippines passport.
His passport shows he was born in the Monterrey, in the province of Nuevo Leon. There are only 2 provinces in the Philippines with Nueva (not “Nuevo”) - Nueva Ecija and Nueva Vizcaya.
Check out this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_the_Philippines
Right from the start this guy is already scammer and somebody should make real effort to nail him.
People are doing it Treem.
the entry is here for people to take action.
Does Benjamin Navarro live in Nuevo Leon? Do you really have his passport name and all info… Because if he left us with our money we can give him a track with the authorities due to his actual company name called Kaonline S.A. de C.V…. as far as I remember he created……..
Dear Sylvia,
Can you get Kevin to write in to us. I am sure he has info we can use. I don’t blame him for what happened. Kevin, come in out of the cold and dicuss this thing with us. I know you can help.
Kevin , you are the one that made it seem so upfront and professional, and the reasons I joined KA Online.Write us!
Has anyone heard anything bad about Eurotrade in England? They were number one in HYIPranks, KA # 2. Gad, what a wake up call.
Dan
There’s another hyip magazine that warn people about eutradeltd. Personally I don’t have nice feeling about them.
Recently they start to adjust daily interest without informing member before hand through newsletter. The hardcore supporter said it shows that Eutrade is doing actual trading but I have my doubt. Changing interest payout is a HUGE thing but they act like nothing happen.
The recent newsletter said they are implementing new plan coming New Year. I’m glad that I’m going to breakeven soon. Just set it to 100% after I get back my principle.
If it really works, good. If it doesn’t, I already taken back my principle.
Eutrade reminds me of solidinvestment, vascoinvestment, investdotcom, wealth2u.
SYLVIA
Why don’t you answer to Levaz’s questions and other members questions please?
We need touchable help from you, please.
I lost $ 5,500 in there!!!
hi Gaby, I’m not talking about the web appearance, I’m talking about the web design and business layer. It so professional and shows whoever order to build it has hardcore experiences to create a ponzi scam site, think offshore clubs
of course this is just my humble op.
i’m in profit, but unfortunately the profit is too small to cover my trouble checking the site every week for months.
any updates NightStalker since i cannot contact you online?
I’ll send a mail to him to check if there’s any updates.
How does it continue?
I responded to the email arizonaspam at gmail and have not heard anything so far
I wonder to what, where, and when - for comply
My loss was little more than 6k and have also proof of WT
If Sylvia & Kevin have indeed had money stolen from them by the thief
Benjamin Navarro then should they not report this to their local police?
This would at least get the ball rolling on action being taken against him.
(I really doubt that Sylvia & Kevin, even if these are their correct names & if they are not creations of Benjamin Navarro, could be in ignorance of the fraud)
How are things going on the investigation?
jude, NightStalker any updates?
I am spanish, I understand spanish,etc
Benjamin Navarro is a hispanic name,
Monterrey is a large city in MEXICO, in the state of
NUEVO LEON.
(ka online) ka holdings,CA wasa incorporated in mexico
apparently in cancun,mexico (thats that famous beach/resort
in the gulf of mexico.
but he speaks perfect american english,
I think he was born and raised in the united states,
if that passport is a FAKE, then he might still be here
in the usa, BUT he is certainly using a different name/documents
(thats is his real name very likely is Not b.navarro,
its something else, but he is either a mexican-american
or philip-american, those two,
he could be living in either usa, mexico, philipines or even spain
lastly: this criminal thief CAN log online and read all this
stuff, can read what I say..
and plan accordingly, such as to move on if it gets hot…
why all this silence makes me worry?
either the people that started all this got their money back, or all this was just a delay, from contacting the proper authorities……..
at least someone email us to tell us what is going on….
Cchristos
I am still here asking for news too; I cannot forget so easily $ 5,500!!
just chat with NightStalker , and he is still working on it….
Finally!! I’ve been searching countlessly for some information about KA Online ever since its downfall. I’m glad I found others who feel my pain. Nightstalker, it seems like you’re the only one who has some real information on these guys. What’s your progress and how about sharing some information with us? You are our only hope in catching these guys, getting our mone reimbursed and putting them in prison. Share with us so we can go out and contact our authorities and initiate legal proceedings. Whoever was behind KA Online, Sylvia, Ben, Kevin, they must pay for this scam. If Sylvia was also scammd, then why hasn’t she come forward with some real information since she worked so closely with them. Be cautious, the scammers could be posting false information here to delay us. cchristos, what did nightstalker say? Can you share with us what is going on? Anyone else with some solid information we can use or have all of you given up hope?
well turboJ , i cannot say too much , since i donot know much.
the only thing i know is that i chatted with Nightstalker and he told me that he is still working on it.
Well what i think is that the whole process is way to slow, its 18 days after the scam and nothing has happened yet. if until monday nothing happens, i will contact my local authorities about the matter.
cchristos: I’m not sure what you mean by your ‘local authorties’. In the US, this type of fraud is actually handled by the Secret Service. In my newbieish first experiences I tried to go after VS Invest and the path of my numerous calls led to the SS office in New York. VS Invest was running off servers in New Jersey that had a block of IPs leased by a company out of Romania. In any event these guys are slick and it’ll be agencies in your country that deal with international investigations that COULD chose to do something about it but it’s low priority quite frankly.
thanks for the info Propellertop , i am waiting till monday to hear from Nightstalker.
Well me years of this HYIP has caused me to be six figures out of cash & when it comes rite down to it the SS or Feds will actually use the info Monies to line their pockets & never give up a dime to the person who may complain about the HYIP admin’s who ran away with members monies & even if like when they caught up with Charis Johnson they have ran up huge fees for the lawyers who handle the case there was millions & fees have been millions well you know stop why your ahead the famous one liner of don’t spend more than you can afford to lose.
Unless you can get in early & behead of the game stay clear from the HYIP’S = Hoping Your Interest Pays
i have filed my complain to the proper authorities(USA), since there are 19 days after the scam, and this delay is making me furious.i hope they will catch the scammer and sent him behind bars……
Don’t get mad at the peeps who stole your money read the one liner it always says to never invest more then you can afford to lose now with that said I too have lost but piddly like 1K so not out but a Sundays pay & yet I can only blame me self I wished I could get it returned but it looks very dissappointing for Ben N is gone & his croonies are gone also.
Want to hear the real sad story of Offshore hell I had 24K in there plus a few smaller ones it’s gone & russians got me there they play on Americans greed think Greed can hit you hard now think about how greedy your thinking all HYIP are Scams if you want to get smart & make cash from them be very cautious because I’ve only won with one & that was me business partner He is done because peeps don’t know how to play & make everything run smooth Oscar was hounded by authorities & kept paying & dodging them until he threw in the towle I lost 24K man I’m crying plus sum ouch… I say get Ben if you can but his name ain’t even Ben…
TRUTH IS BEN OR WHAT EVER HIS NAME WS HAS MOVED TO AUSTRALIA BABY LIVING AMONGNST THE THUGS & GANGTSERS ..
any info regarding this scammer?
while my belief is that somone from here got refunded, and all the rumors he spread where just to gain time and let the m….fu.cker get away.
probably he is the same person after all
As was stated a thousand times B4 you have to gain your seed SAP.
Holds true for the HYIP=Hopin Your Interest Pays… No fed agency will ever get a dime back for any participant but may serve a warrent for illegal racketeering or sum sort of trumped up charge(s)
Attorney charge aren’t cheap.
I myself have fallen hard to these crooks in the year 2006 thousands of USD’s gone& only a few thousand made back I figure I made back 2100 so they all combined got me for $22,900 USD’s one month’s wages & i just got screwed on a $1 thing. Please don’t fall prey to these guys’ agin quit whilst your a head any person who believes that they may get even a penny back may end up in jail if they accept it.
I have an attorney who tried to help go after the Pola’s The Oscar freeman Tony in 360 leave it alone lick your wounds like a dog & move on & i mean leave the HYIP arena alone very few get something back…
cchristos, erm do give in details on what you’re trying to say. Either I didn’t get you correctly or you’re actually pointing the gun at me or something.
I’m not in profit with KA, but I’m not at loss too since the amount i punt in hasn’t been compounding since the beginning (only towards the end)
what sort of rumours are you talking about?
Well,
It’s simple I have been had & so have the rest of the membership who did not get their seed back from KAO.
KAOwas infact small potatoes compared to some HYIPS.
I repeat ALL HYIP’S ARE SCAMS.
dean, it’s like quiting after losing. No one will win if you keep thinking of it that way, it works the same on a system with forex, stocks or any commodities except you’ll have to figure out the good from the bad ones.
hyip can be something that you can pick up to diverse on your portfolio, but to all its own
well jude i believe i made clear my views, and to whom i pointed the gun to, as we talked to yahoo.
First
Happy new 2007 to everyone
than Its not so easy to forget the loss in KAonline for me either
Any updates from NightStalker ?
What kind of real information do NightStalker have about it?
Is he/she willing to share this info with us as well?
Im also wondering to if shall we do something together or if each one have to do their own claim
i read that cchristos have filed his/hers complain to the proper authorities(USA) Dec 19th, … 19 days after hm… now its Jan 2th… im little worried for time passing without any info, as it was said and as far as i understod
Still waiting for the info on how to continue …
prooceeds, my friend i think we all had it, and my feeling is that NightStalker, is benjamin or the scammer himself.after i had posted i made my complain he dissappeared………
I’ll email the IP address, time and date of NightStalker to proceeds as well if it helps… most probably it won’t if he stays behind a proxy..
Hello,
I apologize for disapearing for a while,the reason I didnt back anymore to all investors is because the situation turned so complicated by different factors that I will list here:
1) The money I was spending with the investigatio and law firm was raising to almost the 50% of the money I invested. That is not the major factor since I just wanted justice. Also I received emails from investors who was able to help with the expenses of this process but it was something I didnt take since it could drive to some people to think Im a scammer too trying to take advantage of the situation.
2) So far we got good and real information the fact is that they ran away to other country where is pretty hard to take legal actions. So it turned in a very hard situation for us with no guarantees of success even for jail or extradiction to USA.
3) I have a company that needs me since Im the operation manager and Co-Funder and all this time I were leaving my real bussines away for being trying to make justice.
4) We have the real information of the scammers since Kevin, Benjamin and Sylvia exist but are not the scammers those are just stolen names not the real scammers names, I have the real ones, but again they already ran away to a very hard country where online crimes are not classified in their law, the law firm was in touch with FBI and exposed the situation to them but the answer from them was the same, there would be almost impossible to catch them because as they said in their past experience the goverment of that country didnt help at all(Romania).
5) I have no issues with exposing all my real info to Jude so he can check for himself that I have nothing to do with this Hyip bussines it was just a investment I made in KAO to get extra money from their investment plans, but Im not used to join this kind of investments, was the 1st time I joined.
As I said before my only intention was recover my money or send them to jail and help all other scammed investors, I never had any shaddy intention and all the people with which I was in contact could confirm that, they offered money to help me out with the expenses but I always refused.
In this case was the first time I made a investingation work like this , thats the reason because I maybe failed in achieve our objective, but this doesnt mean it was in vain, I learned and lot of people raised their voices. So this means that this arena is able to change if somebody with more experience or maybe the creation of some kind of association for this matters could born from this, not from my side but there is a lot of reputable people and investors who Im sure are willing to do something like this. I learned that organization and timing is the most important to take an action like this and this not only when the scammer run away , it should be monitored and investigated in depth during the program life.
Jude I appreaciete all the help during this movement against them, we were close to achieve it but the lack of experience on my side to organize something like this was very weak. Im not sure yet if I will continue on this arena and take an action to create some kind of entitie who could help in this cases of course not necesary driven by me, mainly driven by all investors and reputable people in this arena, also previous information from autorities could help to build this kind of society, that way this could be a civil action with people who previously will get informed in the processes that need to be made in Scam cases so they are applied instantly and the probability of catch them / recover money could be much higher.
I apologize if I wasted other investors time including Jude time, but I just wanted to help, this time we lost a battle but we will win next ones if for real everybody get informed and when this cases come we are ready and one step ahead of them so we give them no chances to run as this happened.
As stated before feel free to make public my information IP etc, it is paid ssl proxy so makes no real sense, but anyway again Im able to provide you my info so you can verify Im a legit person who doesnt have anything to hide.
NightStalker
NS, thanks for your response, but if its possible can we talk on the phone as well as verify your info?
It would be nice if we have someone who’s really into justice, maybe some sort of entity could be formed, like what you have said.
Nightstalker,
If you are 100% sure that you know the true names and location of Navarro; et al, why not publicize their names and other pertinent information. Some of us may still have friends from the other side of the old iron curtian from our cold war military days, that could certainly call in a few favors in Romania. Perhaps those responsible for this could be persuaded to experience a rebirth of integrity.
Nightstalker,or whoever this is, my friend your previous posting was on Dec 7th, 2006 at 1:21 am just before a month ago………….. we have chatted and i stated at that time, i told we (or you should) act as quicly as possible , and i volunteered as you remember to get some % of my money as a covering fee for the expenses.
you dont have to be a nuclear scientist to figure out that after 2 whole months the scammers will dissapear to such a country…….
anyway since this was a major loss from my side, i would consider all this HYIP’s arena a scammers heaven, and i have much more good places to spent my money to, rather than to mafia and mob’s
and beside all that, i understand that you have a bussiness to run, but you have not responded to ANY email i sent you, i hope this explains my postings….
Hi everybody, unfortunately i lost around 6400$ from kaonline but i am not willing to leave such people like that. I think something can be done about it and if it’s true that this person is in Romania then i may help since i live in Greece and i have spent 11 years in Bulgaria and i have contacts in Romania as well. I do not think that the exchange of such info is smart to be done publicly. So mail me if there is anything i can do at alkas@smartvision.gr
Hope this will encourage anyone to not let this kaonline scammer pas
…… Carousel fraudster jailed for 15 years:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6242619.stm
Hope all the investors scammed in KAonline actually take some action against the operators/gangsters behind
Its left a feeling of shame to be scammed, to be a victim …makes me angry to… witch not helps! if not use it in any efforts of available action in attempt to serve justice …
From my point of view its also a shame, if people rather would let the scammer easily walk away with their hard earned money, people must really have a warm heart -or feelings of guilt for trusting and being victimized - … if give up… its like to be a sleeping partner with the scammer… so then he/she can just walk away with all of ours hard-earned and saved money.
People like this scammer, can come here and take advantage of peoples trust in his/ her promising words and use all of that to steal people’s money…its indeed a criminal behaviour and not in line with any ethics and its unacceptable to just let it go and continue in other gangster forms of investments opportunities.
Its not a crime to do investments and its not a crime to trust in peoples words… but today it sometimes seems to be reversal.
Also like scammers use more and more of “sophisticated” crime methods to betray people and use different kind of gates for more easily run away. This kind of personalities are really sick, but not so sick that they have to be left out without any attempt to demands of responsibilities
Anyway I don’t support to let the scammer just get away after all the lies and disinformation in intentions to fraud us and to use this to fool investors to … looks to me like the scammer intended to betray and steal people’s money right from the start, all of false papers and preparation before and after… this will probably learn us to be even more carefully, selecting the good ones from the bad hopefully … but also to not open up for scammers to continue through our ignorance and acceptance of these kind of behaviour to fool us. Even if it’s a feeling of little we can do against, everything we do is counted … ATogether we are stronger! How can we help each other?
And please not to forget …and let sink in to the unconsoiusness where it will demands your energy DO ACT I will do my best
http://complaint.ic3.gov/
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
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“First aid for fraud victims”: http://www.fraudaid.com
There are many pages of useful advice, including “WHAT TO DO IF YOU DISCOVER YOU ARE THE MIDDLEMAN TO A FRAUD”
You CAN Fight Back!
You’ve been scammed…But you’re not the first victim of an unscrupulous Scam Artist. They’re everywhere…Because the money’s good. They don’t care about the damage they do to others…Only about turning a fast buck at the expense of others. The good news is that more and more consumers are fighting back and putting these Scammers out of business, and in some cases, behind bars. If you’ve been scammed, let’s look at some of the weapons you have at your disposal.
First, it’s obviously best if you can work out your differences with the company directly. If you haven’t already, simply write them a letter stating that you misunderstood what products or services they were going to provide in return for your payment. Keep the tone upbeat and be nice. Explain that you won’t be able to benefit from their product or service (for whatever reasons apply), but that you’re sure that others will. End your letter by asking how to obtain a refund and to what address the merchandise should be returned. If you have their written money-back guarantee and you are still within the terms that are defined in it, state so in your letter. Be sure to send your letter by requiring proof of delivery (Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested or Registered Mail) and keep a copy for yourself. More often than not, this works with legitimate companies that value their reputation.
If you’ve dealt directly with the company, but still haven’t received a satisfactory response, then contact your credit card company. Hopefully, you made your purchase with a major credit card. If so, then you have an extra level of protection against fraud. Call your customer service number on the back of your credit card, explain your situation and tell them that you want to dispute a charge. Follow the directions they give you and the company may actually be “charged back”, and you’ll have the disputed amount credited back to your credit card account.
If the company is Internet-based, then you can also contact the The Better Internet Bureau at their Web site (Better Business Bureau) . The Better Internet Bureau is an online, non-profit organization that’s dedicated to making the Internet a safer place for people worldwide. There are posted procedures for reporting Web sites that are doing something illegal, dishonest or dangerous so that others can be warned.
Another course of action you can take involves consumer advocates. Most cities have at least one television or radio personality whose job is to investigate complaints made about products and services. You’ve probably seen them on your local news or heard them during your drive home. Contact the consumer hotline at the sponsoring television or radio station and explain your story. They may be able to help you get your money back, and they may also alert others in your area to the scam and the offending company.
If you’re still unsuccessful, then you should start getting help from government groups and agencies. The National Consumer League’s National Fraud Information Center (NFIC) was established in 1992 to help consumers and law enforcement agencies in the fight against telemarketing (and Internet) fraud. Through its toll-free hotline, (800) 876-7060, the NFIC accepts reports from consumers about suspected telemarketing or Internet fraud. Reports can also be filed online at the NFIC’s Web site, www.fraud.org(created in 1996). These reports are then relayed to a variety of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, alerting them to problems that they may wish to investigate and providing them with the ammunition they need to stop fraud.
The NFIC also has direct links to many other, more specific government agencies that can help you (Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Federal Trade Commission, U.S. Postal Service, etc.). Every state also has an Attorney General who is responsible for protecting the public against fraudulent and deceptive telemarketers and others who prey on unsuspecting victims. The NFIC Web site has contact information for the Attorney General’s office in your state, including direct links to their Web site (if it has a Web site established).
If you have lost a substantial amount of money to fraud, you may want to contact a local, qualified attorney who can assist you in possible legal action. Sometimes a letter from an attorney’s office can be very successful in getting cooperation from the offending company.
Finally, even if you were unsuccessful in getting all or part of your money back, you can still file a complaint with the local Chamber of Commerce and/or Better Business Bureau ( www.bbb.org) where the company is located. This may help “get the word out” so that others are not victimized.
Well a good try NS if some one maybe interested I know there is a way to stop these HYIP’s for one ya got HYIPranks .com , Talkgold.com , MMG.com plus some this really is where the niave need go to meet & where the owners of the HYIP’s Even come out & speak turn all HYIP’s into the feds even the forums & some one with a law degree needs to start this & get 70% of the HYIPsters to join the crusade against the HYIP owners… That would put an end to all the BS but of course there are quite a few who are private & yet Are going to end as a scam. It’s a toughy but that’s where it has to start to stop the bums there are tens of thousands of them they all need to be stopped even if they are acting as a legit HYIP’S they will end up in the SCAMMED folder mark me words I really did not even have to think about this for a moment. Good luck if ya want this to end the forums have to be looked at the servers need to be sued fined & the technology is there to do this I for one will help I have an attorney which may help me out if I need him as he ran a HYIP 4 years ago & did not got any charges levied against him so he is vetran always look for the oneliner which they all got “please don’t invest more than you can afford to lose” slow down think clearly it’s a huge task & the federal Government would most like put charges againt peeps who have recieve monies & not claimed those monies
remember stop putting monies into any HYIP what so ever spread the word take all monies you got in there out SAP…
Hi,
Does anyone have any updated information about trying to recover funds from this scam? Thanks for any help.
Tony