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Alien Trust - And You think the Dust have Settled?
Autosurfs ScamsTags: Alien Trust, Vince Krolein.
RavenM1 bumped up a pretty good post which I think will spark controversy in HYIPDiscussion thread on AlienTrust (Trust who again? An alien like Vince?)
Let me just resurrect this thread. Vince scammed everyone. It all sounded good when he stopped payouts in June and promissed he was getting an automatic payout script going. then as the weeks went by he changed his updates saying he was selling to an offshore buyer. For about 5 weeks AT continued to accept upgrades. In fact when members asked if they should still keep upgrading, either Vince or Stephanie posted that they should because we would still be earning and would get paid as soon as the sale was made….
The next excuse was that the new buyer wouldn’t accept Vince’s terms. then Vince announced AT was closing and they would give refunds. Remember for about 5 WEEKS AT accepted upgrades of fresh money and no payouts were made. On Moneymaker group and a few other forums my wife and I inquired of At members how much they had deposited of fresh cash during June and July. We discovered well over $30,000 had been deposited by 20 members! The upgrades ranged from $24 to $8,000. Our deposit of fresh cah via VM had been around $1,100. Don’t forget AT had 45,000 members. We can safely assume that what Vince had deposited in his VM account after payouts stopped was a huge amount. Possibly in the millions - definitely in the hundreds of thousands.Then he stops the upgrades in July and starts the so called refund process. We had $4,106 in our account and that’s what it still says 5 months later. Then Stephanie posts that only a handful of members “qualified” for a refund. From monitoring other forums we discovered that only a few people received refunds and all of these were in amounts under $200.
Next we discover Vince has a Zapwire site running, complete with pictures and profiles! He has a MySpace page. The man and his cronies actually have the balls to take our money, then stay in the public arena without legal repercussions?
http://www.myzapwire.com/vincek
Myspace ProfileAnd he is claiming his occupation to be a CEO on MySpace and using that group for networking? AFTER stealing thousands of dollars. Vince turned out to be the biggest scam artist of them all. the reason we know this is the fact he encouraged upgrades for a good month after stopping payouts, then he claimed he didn’t have money to do payouts or refunds, and that only a handful qualified for refunds and those who did get refunds received very little.
I’m not sure whether he could sleep well at night with photos of him circulating as a scammer, seriously.
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It’s amazing how someone in the United States can get away with ripping off people for 100’s of thousands of dollars if not more and continue to operate new websites in order to rip off even more money.
Angel
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This came just to my mind: Vince forced all of us us to purchase a VM Card and which we are most probably now using. He is pissing himself as he is still earning from us!!!!
Scammers are thefts on the web. They have no decency, no moral, remorse or a heart. They think they can’t be found in their secret lil worlds. Good job digging them up.
I KNOW HE GOT SOME OF MY MONEY & POSTED AN UPGRADE THAT WENT IN ON JUNE 9TH ACCORDING TO VM- THAT HE PUT IN AFTER THE JUNE 16TH BLOW UP, & I HAVE NOT GOT $1 BACK
I KNOW I PUT IN MONEY FROM VM ON JUNE 9TH THAT HE POSTED AFTER THE JUNE 16TH BLOW UP THAT I HAVE NEVER RECIEVED $1 BACK ON.
I just got a 1099 from them. They reported our “earnings” to the IRS. I got a 1099 form from them. $33,000 in “earnings”. I was paid a few grand, but I put back 95% if not 99% back for compounding. I plan on following up with the IRS to ensure that :
a) ensure this was actually reported, and
b) see what kind of fraud claims can be submitted.
BTW, The information on the IRS form 1099-misc is:
W3MA, LLC
2629 Plaza Pkwy, Suite A4
Wichita Falls, TX 76308
940-463-2891
Payer’s FIN: 57-4641094
I did a search for w3ma and got this:
http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=w3ma &Button=search&Search_ID=32019412843
They had the nerve to actually send the IRS the tax info. They are thorough scammers. Thank GOD I used mostly compounded earnings. But still, I will give them a lot of credit.
Actually, I believe these guys run SEVERAL scams simultaneously. They run one or two “trustworthy” ones and surround them with several mini scams. All of them look “legit” of course. But in the end, they were all SCAM. These guys (or gals) are PROFESSIONALS!
But we should have known better because of the earnings. Not to say the earnings are impossible in the real world, but it is very tough.
i can’t beleive how he suckered us all in. he had everyone beleiving that he was on the up and up and that he had it all together. i thought that this site would last a log time so i just kept reinvesting everything and never took a dime out. he now has over 5,000 dollars of mine that i will never see. how can any one with a heart take peoples money and not think it was wrong!!!! i hope he can sleep at night. he says he is married. does his wife know what he does for a living? ripping people off. if she does she is just as quilty as he is, sorry!!!!
HI Gloria,
This is a good lesson for getting your initial investment out ASAP. Also, take some of the profits out along the way. Yes, you’ll earn less than compounding 100%, but you won’t lose as much when they close. Even better is going in one time with a big spend, then moving on to the next program. Just make sure that you’re hitting programs that are actually paying. Timing is everything.
Please remember that high yield = high risk. Unrealistic earnings means that the program will close sooner, rather than later. It’s rare that you’ll recieve any kind of refund and even rarer that you’ll see any of your money if government gets involved. All of these programs have a clause about not being responsible if you lose. Therefore, you have to be responsible for getting your profits out early.
JMO,
Sharon
thanks for the advice. any programs you recomend?
Yes, I do. You can send me an email at sharonsopinion@nobshyip.net . Also, if you’re not on Jude’s mailing list, sign up. From there you’ll receive the information to get to Jude’s portfolio, where he has his recommendations listed.
Another resource that I recommend is HYIP101. It includes an excellent book on HYIPs, a very good list of programs, a forum with lots of expertise that will answer any question, and a bunch of bonuses. You can look into HYIP101 at http://www.hyip101.com/go.php?r=686.
Good luck!
- Sharon
Hi Sharon I can’t get an e-mail sent to you through your link here and I also tried by copying and pasteing your e-mail address in to send but it came back to me undelivered. Let me know what sites you recomend. Thanks
Gloria
HI Gloria,
I accidently wrote .com instead of .net for my email address. I corrected it. Please try it again.
Thanks,
Sharon
I lost $8000USD in alient trust I need my money back now!!!!!!!!!! If anyone knows the whereabouts of vince lets get the FBI on his case
Does anyone know if Alien Trust has had legal action taken against them to recover the funds / $ we ( fools) lost
12 daily pro is in the middle of a legal attack at this time.