The whole point is that PayPal did not ALLOW 12DP Market. If you read the first paragraph under PayPal’s use policy above, it specifically says that Autosurfs are not allowed. PayPal will close 12DP Market’s account and seize the contents. In addition, they may or may not freeze account of 12DP Market members using PayPal. Their policy about the owner’s account is clear. Their policy on member’s accounts is unclear.

Previously to Spring ’06, PayPal did allow Autosurfs and some HYIPs. However, due to complaints and chargebacks, combined with the Feds seizing the original 12DP and shutting down the payment processor abilities of StormPay, PayPal changed their policy. At the same time they froze all autosurf owner’s accounts without notice. Many autosurfs, some around for many months, closed because of PayPal’s sudden change and freeze on their accounts.

No, I don’t have any information on the admins. I looked at whois, but like most scammers (and a few non-scammers), it is hidden by privacy.

I’m not going to comment on bloggers running programs other than to say, it’s no different than long time surfers starting programs. Running a blog and surfing in autosurfs, is completely different from running a HYIP or Surf program. Just because one blogs and/or surfs, does not mean that they can run a program and conversely it also doesn’t mean that they can’t. It is possible to have both skillsets.

I got a giggle out of your mulitple income stream comment. 99.99% of Surf Programs do not have multiple income streams. Typically most of the revenue comes from member upgrades with a smaller percent coming from paid advertising on the site. I have seen a few that invest in other HYIP/Surf programs to bolster the revenue, however doing so creates a house of cards (one big one falls, the rest fall.)

I’m glad you enjoyed the trip down memory lane! There were many others that I didn’t mention. After a bit I got tired of typing the names. LOL

JMO,
Sharon

Paypal is very strict. In Namibia and South-Africa they allow us to deposit funds and or buy directly from Ebay etc. with money from our credit cards, but we are not allowed to receive money to our Paypal accounts. Must say my experience with them is excellent [just a pity we can not received funds]

To allow 12DP Market Paypal must still differentiate between Autosurfs [allowed ] and Hyips/Matrices etc not allowed] . This is very positive. Honest Admins are struggling for years to try and legitimate Autosurfing.

Unfortunately it seems the in thing lately seems to be for a blogger/moderator to open a surf/hyip/matric. [how blogging skills and business skills are related is an open question] The other bloggers[most of them] will promote it because of referral greed. Because it is a ponzi [no extra funds than upgrades in a surfing site or monthly payments as in a forced matrix are generated] it will close within weeks/months leaving only rich the owner, a privilege few early starters/spots and the referral whores.

No program can survive/sustain without multiple income streams. What they don’t understand is that they are killing autosurfing.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane Sharon .Wonder how many money members won and lost on this incredible journey.

They’ll freeze their accounts off.

A nice trip down memory lane! I also remember dadNdave’s, cashbacksurf, eprofitsurf (formerly auto-surf.biz), 911hits, cobrasuf, 123etraffic, beastinvest, gottalottahits, hunnytree, i-surfpro, mydollarsurf, profoundsurf, paydaysurfer, sunnymoney, totalrune and even the HYIP GoldenRocks, just to name a few that used PayPal. For several surfers, if the surf didn’t offer PayPal, they didn’t join.

Right on the heels of ScamPay closing, PayPal shutdown all HYIP/Autosurf accounts. It was only 1 or 2 months later. PayPal’s closings hurt the Autosurf world harder than HYIP. So, Autosurfs got a double whammy. Many moved to EMO and their closing was only 3 or 4 months after. That was a triple whammy. Each hit wiped out droves of Autosurfs. Very few have survived and those are struggling. However, some of the ones that came on the scene right after are still surviving and are now considered “old.”

JMO,
Sharon

Hopefully the Admin will do the right thing (if he’s aware of this) and drop PP and MB like hot potatoes before any damage happens.

Back when I was a surfin’ noob, Paypal was one of the top choices … I remember using them with PaidRsponse and RollerCoasterSurf (boy were those fun lessons – NOT) lol ..

Dolphin